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[21:54:32] <justahotbag> hi guys, can anyone tell me the sreet to the manual restore from itunes 9.2.1, i have done a clean install and it didn't change it's can't reach a server error, I have downloaded the firmware manually...
[21:55:08] <justahotbag> *secret to a manual restore
[22:05:45] <user890104> justahotbag: if you're going to to a manual restore, you should uninstall itunes first (and probably rebooting your computer after the uninstallation)
[22:06:00] <user890104> then i can give you step-by-step instructions on how to restore
[22:06:26] <user890104> (and restore my development ipod classic at the same time, just to make sure my instructions are correct)
[22:08:20] <justahotbag> uninstall everything? Apple mobile support, quicktime?...
[22:12:07] <user890104> justahotbag: yes, especially itunes and apple mobile support
[22:15:09] <justahotbag> ok this will take a min, be back after its done and a rebooted
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[22:42:07] <justahotbag> okay all set 890104
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[22:48:13] <user890104> justahotbag: please open device manager, then connect your ipod, and put it in DFU mode
[22:48:23] <user890104> (that's holding menu+select for 12 seconds)
[22:50:08] <justahotbag> done
[22:51:28] <user890104> do you see a new device?
[22:51:58] <justahotbag> yes it's yellow flagged as DFU device
[22:52:10] <user890104> ok, i'll send you a driver for it
[22:52:23] <justahotbag> Apple recovery usb driver to be exact
[22:58:52] <justahotbag> connected to irc through freenode.net, ... unsure i can recieve files... ...?
[22:59:12] <TheSeven> he'll probably just send you a download link
[22:59:55] <TheSeven> but it still being named "apple recovery something" suggests that some remnants of apple's driver are still installed
[23:03:29] <user890104> justahotbag: use this link to download the file: https://mega.co.nz/#!s4BiXBLK!X3B18HvMtLTbt3fq3n2NLiMsMC1rJzlp-h6Lt6gZbhY
[23:05:06] <user890104> extract it somewhere, then in device manager, right click the apple recoveryy usb device, select Update driver software, then "Browse...", "let me pick..." (the bottom-most option), then Have disk
[23:05:37] <user890104> point it to the folder where you extracted the zip, and choose "iPod Classic/Nano3G Bootrom DFU"
[23:05:49] <justahotbag> gotcha
[23:05:59] <user890104> click next, then tell me when the installation completes
[23:09:19] <justahotbag> says already installed, as seven suggested, i've been all over the emcore site, so I probably installed that driver two days ago
[23:10:06] <TheSeven> it shouldn't be called apple recovery then
[23:10:21] <TheSeven> what does the "driver files" button in the device properties (driver tab) list?
[23:12:07] <justahotbag> usbaapl.sys / wdfcoinstaller010009.dll / winusbcoinstaller2.dll
[23:12:25] <justahotbag> all under driver details
[23:12:38] <justahotbag> guess I should pull those drivers...?
[23:12:55] <TheSeven> usbaapl.sys is fishy
[23:13:17] <TheSeven> however winusbcoinstaller2.dll suggests that our driver might be involves as well
[23:13:19] <TheSeven> involved*
[23:14:33] <justahotbag> okay i'll uninstall those drivers and reinstall, do you both agree
[23:14:46] <justahotbag> thanks for your help guys
[23:15:09] <TheSeven> that sounds like a plan
[23:15:18] <TheSeven> try completely uninstalling the drivers, then reinstalling what user890104 gave you
[23:18:00] <justahotbag> done. much better, no mention of apple this time
[23:18:41] <justahotbag> listed as ipod classic... / dfu    this time
[23:20:23] <TheSeven> that looks good
[23:21:15] <TheSeven> you'll now need ipoddfu.py, libipoddfu.py, ipodscsi.exe and a few apple recovery files that can be extracted from various .ipsw files
[23:25:36] <justahotbag> which ipsw file, it's own...?
[23:30:01] <user890104> justahotbag: i'm making an all-in-one package for ipod classic recovery, and i'll send you a link as a private message
[23:30:32] <justahotbag> okay, tank you
[23:31:14] <justahotbag> thanks i mean, didn't mean to blow you up
[23:32:15] <TheSeven> lol
[23:34:11] <user890104> justahotbag: extract the zip somewhere (for example, desktop)
[23:37:30] <user890104> then open the folder (iPod_Classic_Recovery)
[23:37:48] <justahotbag> okay extracting files to desktop
[23:37:56] <user890104> and hold down shift, then right-click inside the folder (to bring up the context menu)
[23:38:09] <user890104> select Open command window here
[23:39:52] <justahotbag> okay @ cmd line
[23:40:32] <user890104> paste the following command:
[23:40:39] <user890104> Python3\python.exe ipoddfu\ipoddfu.py WTF.x1223.RELEASE.dfu
[23:40:48] <user890104> it should respond with:
[23:40:54] <user890104> Connected to S5L8702 Bootrom DFU mode, USB version 1
[23:40:54] <user890104> Upload: ................... done
[23:42:23] <user890104> then, redo the driver installation procedure, this time selecting "iPod Classic 2G/3G WTF" (or 1G, depending on your model)
[23:43:00] <justahotbag> got a "bad image" error
[23:43:35] <justahotbag> libusb0.dll is not designed to run windows...
[23:43:46] <justahotbag> *on windows...
[23:43:52] <user890104> uhm, what windows version are you using?
[23:43:59] <justahotbag> 7
[23:44:05] <user890104> x86 or x64?
[23:44:10] <justahotbag> x86
[23:45:19] <user890104> so you get this error while trying to select the driver i told you in the driver update dialog?
[23:46:07] <justahotbag> no imeddiately after entering the command
[23:46:24] <TheSeven> user890104: that's python running into a 64bit libusb0.dll somewhere
[23:46:35] <TheSeven> probably in c:\windows\system32 if it isn't in your package
[23:46:43] <TheSeven> replace that with a 32bit copy of it
[23:47:31] <user890104> TheSeven: isn't the libusb installer expected to picked up the right one?
[23:47:57] <TheSeven> only if you explicitly install libusb
[23:48:04] <TheSeven> libusb-win32 to be more precise
[23:48:14] <TheSeven> if you just point the driver wizard to the .inf file, it won't install the dll at all
[23:48:41] <user890104> ah, i see
[23:49:56] <justahotbag> should i download python3 32bit from anywhere? and place in your folder
[23:50:07] <user890104> well, it's worse... i can see a few kilobytes of irc logs at the beginning of libusb0.dll that i zipped :)
[23:50:16] <user890104> looks like filesystem corruption
[23:50:47] <user890104> i'll try to find a proper file
[23:53:22] <user890104> https://mega.co.nz/#!4h4jwbpB!M06qNSa_ra02ciP3gTKK4H6kf_p6_M1fGW1A86PWtiU
[23:53:39] <user890104> justahotbag: replace libusb0.dll in c:\windows\system32 with this one
[23:54:58] <user890104> then try running the python command line again
[23:58:42] <justahotbag> perect that worked as expected
[23:59:25] <user890104> did you update the driver for the new device
[23:59:33] <user890104> that showed up after running the command?
[23:59:41] <justahotbag> going to now
[00:00:20] <justahotbag> search manually for driver or?...
[00:00:41] <user890104> search manually, then select the same folder with the driver
[00:00:54] <user890104> and also replace libusb0.dll with the one you last downloaded
[00:01:14] <user890104> because it's going to overwrite the correct one otherwise
[00:05:31] <justahotbag> replace the dll, but it says driver upto date ipod 1g
[00:06:36] <justahotbag> actually says ipod classic 1G WTF
[00:06:43] <user890104> ah, that's better
[00:06:48] <user890104> next command:
[00:07:19] <user890104> Python3\python.exe ipoddfu\ipoddfu.py FIRMWARE.x1241.RELEASE.dfu
[00:08:41] <user890104> this is going to show about 8 lines of dots, and "done" in the end
[00:09:04] <justahotbag> darn the libusb0.dll didn't stick error again, let me try the overwrite again
[00:09:15] <user890104> then, after a couple of seconds, your ipod will show an apple logo, then "do not disconnect"
[00:09:23] <justahotbag> into system32 i mean
[00:09:43] <user890104> yes, overwrite it there, also in the source folder (where you extracted windriver.zip)
[00:10:07] <user890104> if windows suggests to format the ipod, select Cancel
[00:10:39] <justahotbag> okay done,
[00:11:11] <user890104> does it show "do not disconnect" on the screen?
[00:11:43] <justahotbag> all the dots showed up, just says done
[00:11:52] <justahotbag> no prompts
[00:11:53] <user890104> i mean on the ipod's lcd
[00:12:05] <justahotbag> ohh one second
[00:12:31] <justahotbag> no. black screen
[00:12:47] <user890104> well, it should show an apple logo for a couple of seconds
[00:13:02] <justahotbag> wait now it says go to apple.com/support
[00:13:18] <justahotbag> i'll wait
[00:13:28] <user890104> uhm, this doesn't sound good
[00:13:40] * user890104 pings TheSeven
[00:15:08] <user890104> justahotbag: is there any new device showing up in Computer?
[00:15:16] <justahotbag> looks like its boot looping  right passed the goto apple.com
[00:15:20] <justahotbag> ill check
[00:15:46] <user890104> if there isn't, enter dfu mode again and re-enter those two commands
[00:15:59] <user890104> all drivers should be set up already
[00:16:37] <justahotbag> no device showing, i'll try again
[00:19:49] <justahotbag> did same thing again
[00:20:30] <user890104> can you go to device manager, then select
[00:20:39] <justahotbag> all steps finished with done, it reboots and says goto apple.com/support
[00:20:45] <user890104> menu "View" - Devices by connection
[00:21:11] <user890104> then look for USB devices, that mention "ipod" or "apple"
[00:21:16] <justahotbag> i should DFU it again?
[00:21:26] <justahotbag> doesn't show otherwise
[00:21:29] <user890104> no, check this wile it shows apple.com/support
[00:21:38] <user890104> while *
[00:21:47] <user890104> ah, i see
[00:21:50] * TheSeven pongs user890104
[00:22:27] <user890104> TheSeven: any idea about the "apple.com/support" message?
[00:22:28] <TheSeven> <justahotbag> wait now it says go to apple.com/support << that looks like disk mode?
[00:22:48] <user890104> does it?
[00:22:50] <justahotbag> nothing shows up there, it should if I DFU it again
[00:23:05] <TheSeven> does a drive show up in "computer"?
[00:23:34] <TheSeven> if not, can you make a photo of the ipod's screen and upload it at e.g. imgur.com?
[00:23:43] <justahotbag> not at all
[00:23:47] <TheSeven> does it show a dock connector plug and the support URL?
[00:24:31] <TheSeven> something like this? http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/TS1441/TS1441_1-mul.jpg
[00:24:37] <justahotbag> waiting for it to come by again
[00:25:03] <justahotbag> no not that one
[00:25:04] <user890104> or maybe this one? https://discussions.apple.com/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/188/18855312-1.jpg
[00:25:18] <justahotbag> yes the second one
[00:25:21] <TheSeven> urgh
[00:25:35] <TheSeven> not good
[00:25:36] <justahotbag> it's dead isn't it
[00:25:51] <TheSeven> how did it behave before the restoring attempt?
[00:26:07] <TheSeven> I need some more info about this device, as apple's firmware obviously isn't very verbose :P
[00:27:32] <justahotbag> all cause I hard rebooted after a crash and emcore couldn't recover even the backup rockbox image
[00:29:08] <justahotbag> i had everything fine 3 days ago, i suspect bad drive corrpution at the beginning of the drive somehow...
[00:29:31] <justahotbag> that possible?...
[00:34:16] <TheSeven> either that, or the heads getting smashed during an emergency retract caused by the hard reboot
[00:35:04] <TheSeven> most drives are designed to withstand about 500-1000 of those retracts before failing, but these ipod drives aren't really known for reliability...
[00:36:56] <justahotbag> guess this patient is lost..., thanks for trying guys, really appreciate it
[00:38:20] <justahotbag> off to get something flash based. this time
[00:39:48] <justahotbag> still you guys rock, thanks for your time
[00:40:56] <user890104> for the logs: the last command should be:
[00:41:13] <user890104> ipodscsi\ipodscsi.exe F: ipod6g writefirmware -p Firmware-33.9.0.1 -r
[00:41:45] * user890104 haven't seen apple's firmware for a long time
[00:46:15] <justahotbag> if I can get to the emcore console... is there anything I can do from there?
[00:48:05] <user890104> justahotbag: yes, you can either download the contents of ipod's NOR flash (where the bootloader and SCfg is stored), or launch diagnostics mode (to check the status of your ipod's HDD)
[00:49:22] <user890104> i expect this "red x" screen to be caused by corrupted system configuration data (device's serial number, model number, etc...)
[00:50:01] <user890104> or, it could be hard disk damage
[00:50:38] <user890104> let us know if you get to emcore's console somehow
[00:50:45] <justahotbag> i'll stop by tomorrow then, to try the one last thing, like checkin the drive, which is probably damaged
[00:51:52] <justahotbag> using the usual method i was ablt to get to emcore, with a little boot error it seems to ignore right before the formatting screen, which is where it gets stuck
[00:55:14] <justahotbag> later guys, thanks again
[00:56:15] <TheSeven> does it boot to diagmode with the regular button combination?
[00:56:34] <TheSeven> I think that should most likely work despite the red cross screen
[00:56:53] <TheSeven> (in the semi-restored state)
[00:59:14] <justahotbag> what is regular button combonation?
[01:00:38] <justahotbag> i have no emcore option as of right now
[01:01:04] <TheSeven> no, I mean with the apple firmware flashed
[01:01:28] <TheSeven> if you run those recovery commands up to the point where you got that support URL screen, how does it behave if you reboot it?
[01:01:36] <TheSeven> does it go back to that support URL screen, or to emcore?
[01:02:17] <justahotbag> not familiar with the commands your referring to, or the diagmode... how do I do that
[01:03:00] <justahotbag> sounds like I need to reinstall itunes...
[01:03:15] <TheSeven> no
[01:03:27] <TheSeven> if you reboot the ipod now, where do you end up?
[01:03:37] <TheSeven> support URL screen or emcore boot menu?
[01:06:38] <justahotbag> in a boot loop with url screen
[01:06:57] <TheSeven> ok
[01:07:17] <justahotbag> still screwed?
[01:07:18] <TheSeven> now press and hold left+center immediately when it starts rebooting
[01:07:36] <TheSeven> it should start up diagnostics mode
[01:07:52] <justahotbag> okay one sec
[01:09:53] <TheSeven> if you manage to get into that, choose "manual" and then I/O => HDD SMART info, or something like that
[01:10:52] <justahotbag> okay got diag mode, never seen this one before
[01:11:04] <TheSeven> that's actually a stock apple thing
[01:11:12] <TheSeven> none of our code is involved with that :)
[01:11:23] <TheSeven> works on every ipod model
[01:11:37] <justahotbag> cool... manual or auto test
[01:11:44] <TheSeven> manual
[01:12:06] <justahotbag> ntf?
[01:12:18] <TheSeven> I/O => HDD SMART info, or something like that
[01:12:49] <justahotbag> hdspecs or smartdata?
[01:12:54] <TheSeven> smartdata
[01:13:42] <justahotbag> can't open device! that does it doesn't it?
[01:14:09] <justahotbag> "error diag halt" it says
[01:14:14] <TheSeven> ok, completely fried drive then
[01:14:18] <TheSeven> or possibly loose cable
[01:14:26] <TheSeven> or blown up power supply circuitry
[01:15:09] <justahotbag> geez i should toss it like a live grenade, your scaring me
[01:16:03] <justahotbag> loose cable huh, you're going to make me pop this open
[01:17:43] <justahotbag> alright guys, that was a really good effort, work beckons me, if it ever works after opening I'll let you guys know
[01:18:37] <justahotbag> banging it around can't hurt, i'll try that
[01:19:56] <TheSeven> opening it is a bit tricky, but doable
[01:20:14] <TheSeven> once you've figured out how these clips work, it gets much easier
[01:20:33] <TheSeven> they aren't in the locations where you'd intuitively expect them to be, so look closely at the ifixit guides
[01:21:32] <justahotbag> i know its tricky, but its already dead... surgury can't hurt
[01:21:47] <justahotbag> thanks TheSeven
[01:22:28] <TheSeven> I've actually managed to open mine twice without damage
[01:24:46] <justahotbag> I'm off to work for real, thanks again both of you guys
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